Worst Designed Cards

Cards that have the worst design, even in a single aspect.

For example, Chaor in DOP had a pretty useless ability that is rendered completely obsolete by Refrain of Denial(Red). Not only are there not many Overworld abilities or Mugic that would want to target Chaor, Refrain of Denial takes care of all the Mugic options at only a third of the cost. That's another thing, the cost for such an effect is absurd.

That's not to say Chaor DOP is a bad card, he's a great one, it's just his ability that's useless

I agree with that. His FU abilities were much more fitting for his character.
When it comes to bad design, I'd have to say Stone Mail. The ability to not move is really just enough for gaining 50 Energy. Taking 5 more damage and losing all abilities is overbalancing it to the point of being unusable accept in certain cases where it's built for it.

I think Khorror is one of the few who can use Stonemail effectively.

Another card with bad design is Cromaxx. Why did they give him the same ability twice? Unless I'm missing something, having either or would be the same thing

lazerbem wrote:I think Khorror is one of the few who can use Stonemail effectively

You should have been around in the Silent Sands days. Blazvatan with a Stonemail was actually good enough to be considered unbalanced. Stonemail is actually a great card, not just because it gets rid of abilities such as Recklessness or something like Ixxik's, but 50 energy is a lot to burn even with the 5 additional damage taken. That 50 damage helps supports stay alive to cycle attacks/gives fighters a lot more bulk. You can still move when it's flipped down as well.

lazerbem wrote:Another card with bad design is Cromaxx. Why did they give him the same ability twice? Unless I'm missing something, having either or would be the same thing

The abilites are actually different. The first protects him from cards like Cannon of Casualty. The second protects him from cards like Unbalancing Battlesong.

Fair point. I do recall someone actually making Frafdo mildly scary with Stone Mail

As for Cromaxx, fair enough. Wouldn't the second effect cover Canon of Casualty? If it does, there's no point in the first. If it doesn't, technicalities are a *** and I change my opinion on his design so that he doesn't get the Blackship treatment(monsters in Yugioh who can't be destroyed can still be sent to the Graveyard. Wording!)

The second ability specifically pertains to energy reduction. Reduction and damage are not the same.

Yeah, so it is a Blackship situation.

I take back what I said about him then, the fact that he's covered against energy lowering from all Mugic is nice

When you're posting here keep in mind that the usefulness of a card changes with each new set. Stone Mail in particular was a card which you could put on almost any creature when the game was new, most often seeing use on Chaor.

As for some cards which come to mind for being poorly designed, the Flame Orb set of attacks from DoPS! Flame Orb itself was perfect, but the other three have always been near useless because the stat checks don't match with their optimal element.

My apologies, but what is are the Flame Orb counterparts?

Fearocity, Frost Blight, and Rock Wave. Rock wave should have used courage, Frost Blight should have used wisdom, and Fearocity should have used speed.

Fortesimo. Has that ever seen competitive play? It doesn't even boost energy I wish it had a Gigantrooper effect with a little twist: "Target creatures gains Courage, Power, Wisdom, Speed, Energy, up to 70. (Stats higher than 70 are not effected.)"
But maybe that would have been ahead of its time

It's rather sad that even with flavor text of Descrescendo seems rather humiliating. It was useless before, it's even more useless now with Diminuendo doing a stat lowering and the same damage, Caster's Warsong doing the same damage with the potential for far more, and Prelude to Dominance outright doing more

I joined Chaotic near the end of it's life so I didn't have a good grasp of the meta back in the day. That influenced my decision 100%

Did you post on the correct thread?^

Yeah, I was kind of explaining why I said Stone Mail wasn't a very good card

Hota, just an absolutely worthless Danian.

If we're going to talk about the forgotten from DOP, Yokkis qualifies. He's a Super Rare whose max stats are all 50 with full Support and is likely to be lower given how hard it is to have the full effect of support.

Ulmar's Bionic Steam Arm. I think i never seen someone play it.

I've seen it rarely in those decks that run bodal's dagger (since you can only have two). So if you have a lot of 0 build attacks its not bad. But its side effect is really risky. If it had come out in Zoth instead of BotD, it would have seen more potential.

What about original Nauthilax? An Underworlder without fire, with recklessness, and no MC

To be fair, Tangath Toborn did go down to Bodal in the show, lol.

I think the Crown of Aa'une and the Baton of Aa'une should have been a single battlegear, since Aa'une does have it in the card art. Something like giving the Crown's effects to any creature that isn't named Aa'une while giving the Baton effects to Aa'une

Poison Panic can be useful if you've run out of useful water attacks for your team(somehow) and just need a single copy of it. It's still sucky though

I'm rather inexperienced with the card game itself, but I really do not see a point to the attack Gravity Slam. It deals little damage, with its maximum damage requiring an enemy to have no power stat at all, and has a cost of 2, which could easily be spent on other attacks that more consecutively deal as much if not more damage on average. Even Pebblestorm seems more useful, and it requires the user have the right elements.

Speaking of Pebblestorm, I feel that its build cost is unreasonable when you consider the only way for it to get full damage is if the user is proficient at air and earth attacks. Sure, many Mipedians would benefit, but we often see the move (in the show) being used by Overworlders most. Even if it does have the ability to do 10 damage, its cost of a build point makes an inexperienced player such as myself to think it would be more useful to spend that build point somewhere else.

Again, I am still not very good at Chaotic, so what I've said above may well be completely wrong.

The show, while generally pretty good at being in line with the card game, was different in some ways. For instance, they didn't make attack decks, so I'm guessing that they had access to every attack that the creature knew when it was scanned, I mean, Hoton? With an Allmageddon? What? So maybe that's why certain attacks were used more liberally then you'd ever see them while actually playing.

Reguarding the show, there wasn't really any evidence of it, but yes, it's likely the Creature's attacks depended on having an element before performing the attack if said attack includes said element, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way for Creature's performing attacks they wouldn't normally know, EX: Terraport, Almageddon, etc...