Blargs can you shed some light?

Mero wrote:pretty sure I can say that this site will not be "up" again for the next three years.. that is when the IP runs out. Until then, my vote shall be a resounding "no" for all of the time, energy and effort wasted and the dishonest way this entire project was handled.

Link: http://www.dracco-toys.com/forum/index.php?id=269

What in the world?!
Look how unprofessional this is. It's nonsense; he gives no context and i have no idea what this persons taking about. There is no way someone who posts something serious like this in such a manner can possible hold the rights to something like chaotic...

New link for quick access:
http://www.dracco-toys.com/forum/index.php?id=6003

wow damn that hurts 3yrs :'( probs everyone would have forgotten the rules of the game by then :'(

Well you do realize that chaotic doesn't need to use that IP address. Unless he was referring to intellectual property... The more i think about it, i think it's the latter.
Hmmm I wonder. If so, how did they get it.

all i can say is, we can only hope for the best fir chaotic's future. there is nothing us mere mortals can do to fund and support this franchise

Mero wrote:My apologies for not being so professional KingMAxxor4(Robbers/Harril or whomever you are), I did not realize this forum was under such scrutiny.. To clarify for you, I was in fact referring to the Intellectual Property when I mentioned IP. As for how I got it? I invented it...so once again, I am quite sure this game will not return for 3 more years.

I'm sorry for not having seen your reply until now. Lets be honest, this is the internet so I won't take this at face value. Can I have proof of you being the inventor of the game?

I also would like to know if you are affiliated with Dracco, or were just using their forum as a means to express yourself.

I had a feeling that Dracco and others would be watching. But I didn't know you would be answering my question targeted at Blargers from your own forum. Two can play like this. We can each conduct our discussion on our own territory. I shall be more frequently check for your replies. Of course, you are always welcome here if you do decide to join us.

This is the problem(Taking it that Mero is telling the truth). It seems that Chaotic employees other than Blarg and maybe Gannon do not have the same hope the community does.

'Chaotic can't come back for 3 years' yeah well who says? If noone does anything about it maybe, but what if someone did something?

The community being hopeful will do nothing; we didn't work on the game, we didn't experience all that went down, we don't have power or money to do anything, we lack information.

Chaotic took a major hit, but I don't know why employees just left it.

Blzv please see a certain thing that I'll pm you.

Mero wrote:King...glad to see you reply finally(all though on the backup forum)..and yes, it is the internet so to clarify, I am the inventor of the IP behind chaotic..not the inventor of chaotic..look it up - patents 5810666 and 5954332...

Mero, I thank you for sharing these patents with us. I was reading through them and was wondering what you were intending, but then I came across this part (which I will now quote directly).

Also incorporated is a unique numbering system that allows easy tracking of each and every game board, item, and individual game card ever created for the game. Each game piece ever produced has its own unique number. This numbering system allows for the scanning or manual entry of each game card into a computer network (such as the Internet) such that players can play on-line against other players. On-line play will be facilitated by a database suitable for tracking and registering all on-line players and their respective game cards. Once a card has been entered by a given player, no other player will be able to enter or use that card unless it is first removed from the database. Thus, any one card may only be utilized by one player at any given time. The system will also include a computer programmed to simulate game play. This will allow players to play each other, or play with or against the computer.

This is the part I was looking for. I sincerely praise you for inventing this wonderful concept. I was not aware this concept was so old. You really had foresight. I am also wondering which Mero are you?

Once again thank you very much. Since this issue has been cleared up I would really enjoy talking to you some more on friendly terms and warmly invite you to join us here. (The last invitation was merely a formality.) As I assume other members (besides myself) are really interested in talking to someone who played such an amazing part in the fruition of this revolutionary game. If you could share some stories with us about your journey, I would love that so much! (Plus you'll earn access to our member exclusive content hehe)

Mero wrote:King, I see you read this and posted to the backup..yes the patented process is old and runs out in 2016. Hence, the 3 years bit. As for me joining the community, I shall pass but must admit I am curious about the "hidden content". I would be happy to answer any other questions you may have but cannot quite tell my story just yet under attorney advice.

I was afraid of that, but I completely understand. As a curious member of the Chaotic community any information on what happened or just about what roles people played in the creation of the game is really an exciting opportunity. Just like with any celebrity, people like to know more about them. Its always best not to share information that could be used wrongly

As for hidden content, I've left around a few clues so that people might be able to guess what it is.

Mero wrote:I can tell you that I am currently in the works of upcoming litigation on the matter.

I'm not really sure if I should be excited about this. I guess it depends on who's on what side...

Mero wrote:As for which Mero? I do not see how it matters but for posterity sake I am Michael. Good luck community and I will continue to check both forums.

I'll answer the question with these two quotes from our forum

FinalOne1 wrote:I don't know why you care

monkeymania1 wrote:@FinalOne1 I don't know why anyone needs to care deeply about a casual question.

Once again, you seem like a really cool guy, and I'm glad that I've have the opportunity to talk with you.

If what's holding you back from joining is privacy concerns, I will state that if you make an account with a fake email address (you can literally put anything with a @something.com) and then post on the Dracco forum the account name, I will validate it. But, I can also see other reasons that would prevent you from doing so, so I won't pressure you any more on this subject.

Haha, when I look at the title of this (calling out to blargs) and then think back through this conversation, I think of having a "deus ex machina" where someone who knows a lot just shares it all with us. But I know that that won't happen since this is a tragedy instead of a comedy

Mero wrote:I appreciate your quick response to my last post...still not quite sure by your answers what difference it makes what brother I am..As for the information I have there is a ton of it. Both in regards to the patented process and mechanics of games to the under hand sneaky corporate undertakings that brought us all to where we are now. Legalities being what they are I really cannot get into much detail..as for the litigation, that will be mainly private info but I have also been in discussions for a tell all book..will keep you updated. Once again, good luck community and I shall keep checking back.

Well what I was saying with my answer was that there was really no significance to the question - merely some whim of the moment.

I am wondering if you have any idea who is behind the dracco-toys forum and how they got access to the chaoticgame domain? Where they just a lucky bidder when the contract ran out?

Mero wrote:King, Sorry for the delay in responding to your latest post on the back up forum..yesterday was a very busy day..As for who owns the dracco toys site? It is my educated guess that it is Rob Robbers, good friend and co-worker of Gannon and Milito..which reminds me that you neglected to post that it is the two of them that are ultimately responsible for the games "coma"- let me know if you have any further questions.

Oh, I just assumed people would follow the link and read themselves, I was only quoting stuff I directly responded to, but I'll just pass along what you are referring to:

Mero wrote:King, my apologies for not answering your other question.. I do NOT work for Dracco or TC Digital..Need more proof of who I am? Ask Gannon or Milito...seeing as when it boils down to it,they were responsible for the fall of this game. I will pass on joining the backup forum, but do appreciate the offer. Also, for the record, I wouldn't mind seeing the game make a come back if what was already done was finally paid for. I will be checking both forums as I always do for your response or questions.

Now this is the second time you mentioned Milito, I don't remember hearing much about him. He was the Executive Vice President of TCdigital so I'm surprised I haven't. Its always been Gannon this and Gannon that. Or anyone around here for that matter. I feel that blits at least should know about him. I just find it funny that I've barely heard about him...

For those keeping up with this and are too lazy to do some web searching, I've attached some links involving John Milito:

Links:

Mero wrote:King,
Thanks again for the response and interesting links..any further questions just ask.

I am wondering if you have anything to say about Milito yourself. Since he still appears to be quite the mysterious person to me. Once again, I wish blitser was around, since he would probably be able to give me some background.

Pardon the double post.

In an earlier post, you mentioned Robbers and Harril. I assume you were referring to Rob Robbers from Chaotic USA (also part of KODO). But I couldn't find any thing about Harril. 

More Links:

Mero wrote:It is my educated guess that it is Rob Robbers

I think you are right:

Spoiler:

Mero wrote:as for Harril he is another, like Robbers, involved in Cusa, TcDigital and probably Kodo.. As for Milito, not sure what else you would like to know. Just ask and I will answer the best I can under current conditions.

Nothing. What I can find is probably good enough for me.

Mero wrote:King,
Was hoping you wouldn't mind posting those links on the backup forum where I may see them better. Currently the site tells me I do not have permission to see them. Also, as a minor footnote, Robbers was also an employee of TC Digital..

Are you talking about the spoilers? Try those with Chrome (firefox wasn't working for me), it worked for me as a guest. As for the attachment, you aren't missing anything without it.

Mero wrote:King,
I find it very interesting that in all the times chaoticgame.com has changed "ownership", never once has it been in 4kids name..but if you read their SEC filings they state that they(4kids) own the site.

What do you find interesting about this?

Links:

Mero wrote:King,
Again my apologies for not responding sooner.. as for the latest links you set, I have been painfully aware of those patent filings and the lawyer Jeffrey.. I do not find anything really interesting in them..other than the fact that they were designed to undermine the royalty payments due on Chaotic.. may I ask what if anything you find interesting in them? 

Oh no, those links weren't part of my question. I was asking what you found interesting about the changing of the chaoticgame.com ownership.

Mero wrote:Also, did you happen to look at the list of inventors for the alleged new concept submitted to the USPTO? It is a veritable who's who of TC Digital and Cusa employees..Let me know what you think and please, feel free to ask any other questions.

Could you provide a link?

Mero wrote:King..we are apparently out of room here..lol
you will have to look at my "amazing" post on here for the continuation

New link - took me long enough to find: http://www.dracco-toys.com/forum/index.php?id=6003

Mero wrote:King,
I apparently misread your last post.. I thought you were asking me what I found interesting about the links you provided. As for my finding it an interesting topic(the change of hands on ownership of the site), it is just another link in a long chain of 4kids not stating the truth in their SEC documents and getting away with it. They(4kids) have stated pretty much from inception that they owned the website..but as you can see it has never once been in their companies name..As for providing a link to the who's who my friend...you already did..go to the patent filing you posted and look at the list of inventors that is displayed right on the main page.. Robbers, Milito, Gannon, the lawyer Jeffrey and of course J "the player" Harrill.. I find it rather amusing that any of these people can lay claim to a concept my brother and I patented years before..that they filed with the USPTO these claims of a "new" invention after they were in a contract to license the IP from us..The rabbit hole goes quite deep and twists ALOT..sure you want to take the trip? Let me know..

I always did love a good roller-coaster.

IDK why but that last quote makes me want to read Alice in Wonderland.

Dracco forums are closed. So...That's cool I guess.

I wonder if it had to do with his last post...

Also chaoticgame.com no longer links to draco-forum. The link was literally commented out LOL

Also another mirror site:
http://dracci.com/index.html

King,
You would be correct that it had to do with my last post...within the hour the forums went down...curious as to whether or not anyone got to read what I wrote? If so,if they could please post it that would be great,as I neglected to get a screen shot..if not, do not fret, for I think I can rewrite it pretty accurately..and hey! thanks for making part of the community..so if anyone here has questions..feel free to commence the kick off!

Oh wow. 
I also know how you must feel... I hate when I just wrote something really long/important and then all of a sudden I lose it.
Sadly I didn't get to see it, or it would have been quoted here. Now I'm glad I have been quoting.

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Hello again community... my original post on the "not dracco toys" site went something like this:(as a response to King's roller coaster comment)
 Well strap on your helmet and buckle up buttercup cause this ride will take your breath away! My brother and I were originally approached by Gannon & Milito under the guise that it was Martin Rauff that wanted to license or technology for Chaotic. My brother and I never considered licensing the tech as we were(and still are) bumbling to get our game Malreath,TM to market. After many months of negotiating and setting up a company to "hold" the rights to our IP(my brother and I own the patents/ Milito & Gannon are merely entrepeneurs with no rights whatsoever to the patents) You can look up our formation agreement in the 4kids bankruptcy paperwork. We were finally informed it was CUSA that really wanted to license our patents and it took a few more months for Milito & Gannon to step forward and admit THEY were CUSA. Long story shortened, after many months of negotiating, a deal was signed between Cornerstone Patent Technologies, LLC & CUSA for one game titled "Chaotic" on a production basis. Meaning that the company was to be paid royalities for manufactured goods, not when it was "sold". My brother and I were adamant about this as Chaotic was going to have the premium of first to market with our technology and we did not want them glutting the market with some sad attempt at the process we have patented. This contract was signed in May of 06 and back dated at the request of Gannon and Milito to when our negotiations first took place in August of 05. That December(06), Milito and Gannon had paired up with 4kids as their licensing partner to finally bring the game(Chaotic) to market. What my brother and I were not aware of until the spring of 07 and the release of 4kids SEC statements was that Milito had signed a fraudulent agreement on behalf of Cornerstone with 4kids through their new entities TC Digital Games and TC Digital Websites that changed how and when the royalties were to be paid and attempted to give 4kids exclusive rights to our patents for other games. Needless to say when we discovered these contracts we were not pleased. When confronted with what he had done Milito apologized and said that he had to in order to get the bigger  deal done and Chaotic to market. This was all brought to the attention of 4kids chief legal counsel at the time and new negotiations were made that reinforced the original CUSA contract and granted the newly formed TC companies rights to use the IP on other games based on sales of those games.their reward for attempting to  sell out the Cornerstone royalty? They both(Milito & Gannon) got 350k a year jobs as Pres and Vice Pres of TC companies and a remarkable 125k sign on bonus each..all before card one was printed.You can look these facts up on 4kids SEC statements for the 06 calendar year. Also during this time 4kids bought into the patents to reduce the amount of money they were going to have to pay out on the license by 25%. At first, all seemed well and the game got to market and was obviously an "overnight success". After receiving royalties up until the 3rd quarter of 08 that is...then we were informed privately that there was an over payment on those royalties we had received, this was asserted by 4kids chief legal counsel..but no proof has ever come to light.never was there a mention of their(4kids) insiders at the time(Milito & Gannon each held high positions within 4kids) getting over paid on royalties....However, in their SEC reports for the calendar year of 09 they(4kids) stated the patents generated 1 million dollars and they took in their portion (250k) and agreed to pay Cornerstone the balance. This has never happened..Cornerstone has not been paid on the production of cards correctly..In my original posting I asked you King how many packs and decks you thought were produced? I also asked about if you thought FaS or Storm and Sea were ever printed? Funny how what I wrote here made the "not Dracco forums" dissappear...funny how you have had problems with the info you gathered on FaS also disappear. Funny how Gannon immediately informed you Fire and Stone was ready to go but never printed...In hindsight..none of this is funny & in order for Chaotic to come back before the 3yrs the patents are still good for.. all that was printed must be verified and paid for. So, any questions?

minor post script... waves to Gannon & Milito

Wow King..really? All of our discussions just gone? The links to the dracco go nowhere but you already knew that...it is not really an inconvenience it is an atrocity.. but the way this has all played out I am not that surprised..good thing I at least took a screenshot of what I wrote this time...you can all look for it in my upcoming youtube video. Stand strong community but odds are Chaotic will not return until the IP runs out.